"Let Us Test And Examine Our Ways..." Lam 3:40

[Witness]

13 hours ago, AnnaNana said:

You are saying "the angels mean people messengers". 

Instead of always assuming that you know you are right...do you ever search the scriptures for its deep meaning?..look up the meaning of "messenger" in Luke 7:27 on blueletterbible.org 

Tossing out your words without scriptural backup, absolutely means nothing.

15 hours ago, AnnaNana said:

But we have to obey him when he says to stay with the current arrangement.

 

You seem to believe that you, and most JWs, have the mental capacity to rein in the Father and the Son; and that they do not hear the prayers of anyone on the outside of the organization.   There are many sincere hearts, good people who live by the “golden rule”, loving their neighbor and doing acts of kindness toward them.  Does God ignore them because they are not part of your organization?  JWs believe that only those in the organization will be “saved” during their bloody Armageddon.  They believe Jesus Christ will be the Destroyer to accomplish this massacre.  Jesus, who is the Way, the Truth, and the Life – IS NOT THE DESTROYER.  (John 14:6; 10:10) 

2 Chron 16:9b - For the eyes of the LORD range throughout the earth to strengthen those whose hearts are fully committed to Him.

If the organization takes priority in one’s life, not one JW can be fully committed to God.

Those who have left the sins of the Wt. behind, and who have begged for understanding of the teachings of Christ, and who have repented before God for believing in false teachings spoken by false teachers, have been blessed with scriptural knowledge well beyond the ridiculous teachings of the GB  – beyond what the incapable men who cannot even understand the book of Joel, are able to accomplish.  They are “hidden rocky reefs in your love feasts when they feast with you, shepherds who without fear feed themselves; clouds without water, carried along by winds; autumn trees without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots; ¹³ wild waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, for whom the blackness of darkness has been reserved forever.”  Jude 1

The coming of the “two witnesses” (symbolically meaning a witness of “truth”),  who prophesy in sackcloth because of the trampling down of God’s holy Temple/saints/”living stones” by “Gentiles”/elder body, are no longer within the organization, but have been “killed” for their testimony of Christ.  (Joel 1:13; Rev 11:7; 6:9-11)

These servants of Christ have approached their “brothers” of “Israel”, approaching these fallen stars (Heb 12:15; Rev 8:10-11), with their own false teachings committed before their Head Jesus Christ. Do they listen?  No.  Does the elder body/muscle men, drunk on the “harlot’s wine”, listen? (Matt 24:48-51; Rev 9:1-4)  Most do not.  Those who ‘get it’, LEAVE the falsehoods behind, acting on their good conscience.  The GB has allowed God’s Temple to be trampled down.  They have encouraged the elder body to exalt itself over the chosen priesthood. (Dan 11:31-33; Matt 24:15-16; 2 Thess 2:3,4; Rev 11:1-3) This army has tremendous power over the anointed, to the point that many have been fearful to partake over the years; preferring to partake of the emblems at home.  When men not anointed prevent one called by God from partaking as Christ commanded them, and accusing the person of lying about their anointing, assuming they are mentally unsound, this is a trampling down of God’s holy people – His “beautiful/glorious land”.  (Joel 1:5-13; 2:1-9; Dan 11:45; Rev 9:1-4,7-11;11:1,2)

They are oppressed and submissive to the lies that are said about them. And you want them to remain under this blasphemous power over them.  YOU cannot predict WHEN your false teaching that the organization will be cleansed, is to be fulfilled. Thus, you tell everyone to sit tight, no matter what teachings they are to obey.    YOU do not have the mindset of Christ, who is telling God’s people to GET OUT FROM UNDER THE RULERSHIP OF THE ARMY THAT IS OPPRESSING THEM.  (Joel 1:1-7, 13-16; Rev 13:11,12,5-7; 18:4-8)

“If your brother sins against you, go tell him his fault, between you and him alone. If he listens to you, you have won your brother. ¹⁶ But if he won’t listen, take one or two others with you, so that by the testimony of two or three witnesses every fact may be established. ¹⁷ If he doesn’t pay attention to them, tell the congregation.  If he doesn’t pay attention even to the congregation, let him be like a Gentile and a tax collector to you. ¹⁸ Truly I tell you, whatever you bind on earth will have been bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will have been loosed in heaven.”  Matt 18 

¹⁹ Again, truly I tell you, if two of you on earth agree about any matter that you pray for, it will be done for you by my Father in heaven. 

²⁰ For where two or three are gathered together in my name, I am there among them.”

Jesus is with those who listen to him and “buy gold refined in the fire” – the purity of Truth.  Rev 3:18  His “congregation” is where his word is purely believed and upheld, where no false doctrine of men is found.   

Jesus did not tell us to “abide” in an organization built on the WORD of men.  He said,  “If you abide in my word, you are truly my disciples, ³² and you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.”  John 8:31-32

 

There is no freedom in the Watchtower.  (Gal 1:10; Col 2:8; Rev 13:10)

 

[Moise Racette]

3 hours ago, Witness said:

Tossing out your words without scriptural backup, absolutely means nothing.

Once again, I have to agree with you on this point, and add the entire bible to it. However, shouldn't you do the same?

Friberg, Analytical Greek Lexicon

[Fri] ἄγγελος, ου, ὁ as one sent to tell or bring a message messenger; (1) of persons messenger, envoy, one sent (MK 1.2); (2) of divine messengers and agents of God angel (LU 1.26); (3) of demonic powers as Satan's messengers (evil) angel (MT 25.41); (4) specifically in RV 1.20; 2.1, 8, 12, 18; 3.1, 7, 14 probably minister, one overseeing a group of believers under Jesus' supervision, messenger
ἄγγελος N-NM-S ἄγγελος 

[Moise Racette]

3 hours ago, Witness said:

There is no freedom in the Watchtower.  (Gal 1:10; Col 2:8; Rev 13:10)

This doesn't come from the Watchtower. What's your excuse now?

(Titus 3:8-11)

How was Titus to handle these problem people? For one thing, he had to avoid arguing with them. Then, if they persisted in causing strife even after two admonitions (and this implies public warnings), they were to be dismissed from the fellowship. Church members who cause divisions and then take their membership to another church should be allowed to go. If they come back but manifest a repentant spirit, they should be warned and received. If they cause trouble again, they may be granted the right to transfer a second time; but if they attempt to return again, they must not be received into the fellowship. Some sympathizing but untaught saints might say, "But perhaps they have reformed this time." Paul points out in v. 11 that such people will not reform; they are "turned inside out" (subverted) and in a state of constant sin; that is, they are beyond remedy. Our local churches would have fewer divisions if pastors and officers would observe this important principle.

Go to Asia and the Middle East, behave like an apostate and see what happens.