The 144,000... when are they chosen and sealed?

[BroRando]

The 144,000... when are they chosen and sealed?

 

Brother Rando is a student of Prophecy and one of Jehovah's Witnesses. His interests are directed towards how the time of the end would come about. His Goal is to educate the public that Jehovah Witnesses have accepted the Sacrifice in Christ, whose Blood was shed for many as a ransom and exercise faith in 'Jesus Christ' for salvation. (Romans 10:9)

As a student of Prophecy, the passing of time often reveals the specific timing of such divine declarations. The Prophets that announced them do not always know the exact timing. The Sealing of the 144,000 is now at hand. Another timed event that needs no guess work. Jesus replied to them: “Tear down this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.” (John 2:19) The Bible points out that Jesus was not talking about the temple made with hands, “But he was talking about the temple of his body.” (John 2:21)

Could the temple of his body be the 144,000 of his anointed followers also known as the Body of Christ? If the "the temple of Christ's Body" is not made with hands and Jesus was to sacrifice his Flesh, once for all time, then taking back his fleshly body would void his Father's Will. (1 Peter 2:18) The scriptures do indicate some insight to what he meant, "But he was talking about the temple of his body." (John 2:21) Notice the scripture doesn't state his fleshly body for his fleshly body was to be sacrificed once and for all time, but rather 'the temple of his body.'

Once the temple is raised up, then we could expect to enter into Christ’s Millennial Reign in the third day. That time of (three physical days) has gone and passed almost two thousand years ago and Christ's Millennial Reign has not yet taken place. Today, we see that the World is engulfed in hatred and greed and the signs or manifestations happening today are causing all of the tribes of the earth to beat themselves in lamentation or grief. People are looking for a way out.

The Apostle Peter referred to the temple by stating, "As you come to him, a living stone rejected by men but chosen, precious to God, you yourselves as living stones are being built up into a spiritual house to be a holy priesthood, in order to offer up spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ." (1 Peter 2:4-5)

The scripture by the Apostle Paul also gives us evidence that others are also included as God’s temple that Jesus Christ himself would raise up. "Do you not know that you yourselves are God’s temple and that the spirit of God dwells in you? (1 Corinthians 3:16) Again, this did not happen in a 72 hour period but rather the process of raising up the foundation of the living stones began on Pentecost 33 CE. Can the Body of Christ be the same as God’s temple? Yes. “Just as the body is one but has many members, and all the members of that body, although many, are one body, so too is the Christ.” (1 Cor 12:12)

Jesus could have stated (John 2:19) in several ways.

• in three days
• on the third day
• after two days

The question of how long a day is listed in the scriptures for all to see. "However, do not let this escape your notice, beloved ones, that one day is with Jehovah as a thousand years and a thousand years as one day." (2 Peter 3:8) 33CE + 2,000 yrs = 2033

So when can expect the 144,000 of God’s temple to be raised up? "He will revive us after two days. On the third day he will raise us up, And we will live before him." (Hosea 6:2)

The Body of Christ began to be collected on Pentecost 33 CE and will continue for two days of 1,000 years each before the third day begins 2034. 33CE + 2,000 yrs = 2033 You won't find 2034 in the Bible, but you won't find 33 CE either. Yet, 33 CE was a 'timed event' that comes from the Messiah being cut off in the middle of that 70th week and Pentecost followed 50 days later. They looked with their eyes but they could not see. "Do not harm the earth or the sea or the trees, until after we have sealed the slaves of our God in their foreheads.”(Rev 7:3)

We also get 1914 from the book of Daniel which was another 'timed event' that occurred about the time allotted for Gentile Rule. In the Book of Daniel, Bible Prophecy pointed to a specific time period. Taking the time limit of 2,520 years and adding them to the time of destruction of the temple in Jerusalem 607 BCE, the timing lined up to the year 1914 CE.

The timing of the 144,000 being chosen, seems to line up with the conclusion of the Last Days in 2034. When you add the time limit for the Last Days of Noah to the Last Days of this Age, what year keeps popping up? 1914 + 120 yrs = 2034

The Fulfillment of Prophecies are 'timed events'. They have a Beginning and an End to them which covers a specific time period. Knowing such dates of a prophecy once revealed to those who are being ministered to, does not necessarily beget salvation. It doesn't give a person divine protection or extraordinary insight but it may make a person more accountable to Jehovah for not warning others.”

One would need to continue walking by faith... Better times lay ahead of us, but not for everyone. “Do not harm the earth or the sea or the trees, until after we have sealed the slaves of our God in their foreheads.” (Rev 7:3)

Notice that harm to the earth, sea, or trees are being withheld until after we have sealed the slaves of our God in their foreheads. This is in reference to sealing of the 144,000 which are representatives of God’s temple, the Body of Christ, New Jerusalem, Christ’s Brothers, and even the Bride of Christ. All are one in the same.

Once the total number of the 144,000 are sealed, then a colossal number of other prophecies begin to become fulfilled. “I will make my holy name known among my people Israel, and I will not allow my holy name to be profaned any longer; and the nations will have to know that I am Jehovah, the Holy One in Israel.” (Ezekiel 39:7)

Since these things are undergoing spiritual fulfillment, the Bible warns us that "Jehovah’s day will come as a thief, in which the heavens will pass away with a roar, but the elements being intensely hot will be dissolved, and earth and the works in it will be exposed." (2 Peter 3:10)

"For the vision is yet for its appointed time, And it is rushing toward its end, and it will not lie. Even if it should delay, keep in expectation of it! For it will without fail come true. It will not be late!" (Habakkuk 2:3)

[Pudgy]

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[John 12.24to28]

Hi, @BroRando, interesting topic. The math part of it doesn't quite seem to add up, but, yes, this that you said about the other prophecies connected to it...

 

On 3/6/2023 at 6:45 AM, BroRando said:

Once the total number of the 144,000 are sealed, then a colossal number of other prophecies begin to become fulfilled.

 

The Bible shows that the timing of the sealing of the anointed is tied in with an event that we can see, the destruction of false religion:

 

"After this I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding tight the four winds of the earth, so that no wind could blow on the earth or on the sea or on any tree.  And I saw another angel ascending from the sunrise, having a seal of the living God; and he called with a loud voice to the four angels to whom it was granted to harm the earth and the sea, saying: “Do not harm the earth or the sea or the trees, until after we have sealed the slaves of our God in their foreheads.”"

 

The angels are "exercising a restraint" over the winds of destruction on false religion. We will know the anointed are all sealed when we see the attack on false religion. Paul also talked about that time in Second Thessalonians:

 

"And now you know what is acting as a restraint, so that he will be revealed in his own due time."

 

The "he" is the lawless one.

 

The context of 2 Thessalonians shows that some religious people would be saying "the day of Jehovah is here" (like those who say "Jesus took the throne in 1914) but that their pronouncement is apostate.

 

"Let no one lead you astray in any way, because it will not come" (the day of Jehovah beginning with Jesus' enthronement)  "unless the apostasy comes first and the man of lawlessness gets revealed, the son of destruction.  He stands in opposition and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he sits down in the temple of God, publicly showing himself to be a god."

 

The "man of lawlessness" cannot mean Christendom, because they have never said "the day of Jehovah is here" in a way that's actually fooled everybody. The current governing body has claimed to make decrees in God's name, and lives/is seated in "the House of God" namely Bethel ("Bethel means the House of God" there's even a Caleb and Sophia song about it...)

 

"But the lawless one’s presence is by the operation of Satan with every powerful work and lying signs and wonders and every unrighteous deception..."

 

The leaders of the organization of Jehovah's Witnesses have deceived millions of people into thinking "the day of Jehovah" came in 1914. Satan used powerful works and lying signs to make it seem like it came true. War. Pestilence. (He is the ruler of the world, it's no big deal for him to do those things.)

 

Jesus is revealing these things by the word of his mouth.

 

"Then, indeed, the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will do away with by the spirit of his mouth..."

 

Jesus said he would give us words to speak by means of Jehovah's spirit. When we speak in harmony with truth, when we bear witness to truth, we are cooperating with the Source of that spirit.

 

Anyway, since we are seeing the lawless one revealed, we know the anointed must be sealed and it is close to the time when false religion will be destroyed. Praise Jehovah.

 

(PS I finally learned how to change the font so it's not so big! Sorry I'm such a slow learner😬...better late than never they say😊)

[BroRando]

19 hours ago, AudreyAnnaNana said:

The Bible shows that the timing of the sealing of the anointed is tied in with an event that we can see, the destruction of false religion:

The destruction of religion comes after the sealing of the anointed have concluded. This means that we soon can look to this event and it will come of all of sudden for many. Let's re-visited what event paves the way to false religions' destruction.

"And I saw another angel ascending from the sunrise, having a seal of the living God; and he called with a loud voice to the four angels to whom it was granted to harm the earth and the sea,  saying: “Do not harm the earth or the sea or the trees, until after we have sealed the slaves of our God in their foreheads.” (Rev 7:2-3)

The sealing event is a process which began on Pentecost 33 CE. It is a timed event, but when does this event come to it's conclusion for the 144,000 as a whole?

On 3/6/2023 at 6:45 AM, BroRando said:

"He will revive us after two days. On the third day he will raise us up, And we will live before him." (Hosea 6:2)

By applying the following scripture, it's for ALL to SEE...

On 3/6/2023 at 6:45 AM, BroRando said:

"However, do not let this escape your notice, beloved ones, that one day is with Jehovah as a thousand years and a thousand years as one day." (2 Peter 3:8) 33CE + 2,000 yrs = 2033

19 hours ago, AudreyAnnaNana said:

Anyway, since we are seeing the lawless one revealed, we know the anointed must be sealed and it is close to the time when false religion will be destroyed. Praise Jehovah.

Yes, it's coming to the conclusion. It's Spiritual. All will SEE after the fact, even the unbelievers, but they will not understand what they see...

Then he said: “Go, Daniel, because the words are to be kept secret and sealed up until the time of the end. Many will cleanse themselves and whiten themselves and will be refined. And the wicked ones will act wickedly, and none of the wicked will understand; but those having insight will understand." (Daniel 12:9-10)

[John 12.24to28]

@BroRando, Yes, soon false religion will be destroyed. And the sealing process as described in Revelation is referring to the entire group of 144,000 as a whole, in other words, those verses depict when that sealing is finished for the entire group.

 

But the verses in Hosea about "2 days, three" are not applied to the anointed in context. The context does not show that, and there are no other scriptures to support that conclusion from that verse in Hosea. 

 

Additionally, the verse at Peter about "a thousand years are as a day" are not a formula to be applied in other places. There is no scriptural support for that. (Otherwise people could say the Floodwaters with the 40 days meant 40000 prophetic years or the 1000 years of the millennial reign is actually only 1 day or something like that.) The Bible is its own interpreter, and if it doesn't say something is prophetic, then it's not prophetic.

 

The verse in Peter is saying time is relative. Sometimes a day seems really, really, really long when you are getting tortured. Sometimes time flies by so quickly when we are really busy. In context, Peter was not giving a formula for figuring prophecy. He was comforting us and saying, "hang in there - Jehovah hasn't forgotten about you."

 

Jesus said no man would know the day or the hour the kingdom took power. That blows "the kingdom came in 1914" doctrine right out of the water. 

 

It is good to be on the watch. It is good to be eagerly waiting for the Master. We just have to be careful not to fall prey to the tricks of the Devil while we are waiting. Russell and Storrs fell prey to the numerology trick, and as a result they ended up misleading others who are now asleep to the time we are in. The Kingdom of the Heavens is near, and Jesus' ride on the white horse will make a lot of changes. We need to be awake.

 

(I really like the photo you used for your profile picture, @BroRando. I think it's one of the most lovely ones on here. Thank you for caring so much about the flock and for loving Bible prophecy.)