Can JW Television (digital news) be trusted?

[JW Insider]

46 minutes ago, Fausto Hoover said:

It is advisable to include in the records any information that may be relevant to your calculations, regardless of whether you are interested in it or not.

Exactly. That's why I ran statistical analyses for all the different row values in ALL the columns. That's how I discovered that some of the ones marked "Non-JW's" (at the time of their first accusation) were actually Elders and Ministerial Servants at the time of their judicial hearing, removal, reproof, df'ing, etc.

46 minutes ago, Fausto Hoover said:

Since the end column has no further information as indicated, there is no need to add or subtract from the amount.

If you know how to create a simple summary formula, you should be able to see what's going on in the spreadsheet. In Excel it's the AutoSum option shown below:

In Google Sheets, it's as follows:

But there are relatvely simple, but more powerful methods, with data filters (and crosstabs) to summarize many more items of data from the sheet.

 

46 minutes ago, Fausto Hoover said:

Avoid making unwise assumptions or recalculating based on them.

Exactly!!

[Pudgy]

Watchtower TRIED to defend itself with the testimony of several Elders, Branch staff, and even Bro, Jackson of the Governing Body …. And it was an unmitigated Global disaster, a Global Embarrasment, talked about for five years and more.

They cannot challenge the conclusion of the ARC.

THEY have the right to cross examine testimony.

[Pudgy]

2 hours ago, Fausto Hoover said:

How can baseless information be useful in regard to apostate perspectives? Instead of focusing on the details, direct your attention towards the broader perspective.

The fact that you consider specific, unambiguous, and crystal clear instructions directly from Jesus Christ’s own words in Matthew 18 to be baseless information shows you are totally dedicated to agenda driven error.

Oh … and I am NOT an apostate.

I am a heretic.

[Pudgy]

37 minutes ago, Pudgy said:

The fact that you consider specific, unambiguous, and crystal clear instructions directly from Jesus Christ’s own words in Matthew 18 to be baseless information shows you are totally dedicated to agenda driven error.

Oh … and I am NOT an apostate.

I am a heretic.

 

[Pudgy]

47 minutes ago, Pudgy said:

Watchtower TRIED to defend itself with the testimony of several Elders, Branch staff, and even Bro, Jackson of the Governing Body …. And it was an unmitigated Global disaster, a Global Embarrasment, talked about for five years and more.

They cannot challenge the conclusion of the ARC.

THEY have the right to cross examine testimony.

 

[Pudgy]

3 hours ago, Pudgy said:

All of this arguing about nothing reminds me of two Japanese Samurai arguing about how many traffic accidents were avoidable on August 6, 1945, in downtown Hiroshima.

 

[JW Insider]

3 hours ago, Fausto Hoover said:

It's ultimately up to you to decide if you believe you've made the right choice.

That is correct. But, I'll leave it up to you, then, if you think there is an even more reasonable set of numbers to use for the items that the sheet failed to calculate. But that's only if you really care to quibble about the difference of a few numbers. As far as I am concerned the entire process showed up a lot of flaws in how things were handled. If the number of alleged reports had been twice as high or half as high, it still would have shown those flaws. I'm glad that policies changed in the immediate wake of these hearings.

The point I was trying to make was clearly not one you cared about, and that's fine of course. But I used it as an opportunity to show that there has been bias on the part of Witnesses reading the numbers and bias on the part of non-Witnesses in reading the numbers. If you are a Witness, you certainly helped make the point.

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For any others who might be confused because of the position that another poster or posters have taken, I'll just try to clarify one last time:

The problem in counting alleged victims from this sheet is that someone, at some point, had tried to total the column, probably without realizing that they had accidentally forgotten to count any alleged victims among those where the exact number of alleged victims was "Unclear." Worse yet, they forgot to include in the total, all those 9 perpetrator cases where the number of victims was ten or more.

If we manually add up all the cells in the column that have an actual number in them we get 1,732. The fact that there is a "1730" at the bottom of that column shouldn't confuse anyone. It's not a summary formula and isn't even marked as a TOTAL anyway. Arguing that the number 1730 should be more accurate than adding up the actual numbers in the column manually makes very little difference, but it's an odd argument. It means we should not trust the thousand or so ACTUAL labeled numbers in the sheet and only trust the one unlabeled number.

But there are also those 45 perpetrators in the spreadsheet whose numbers of victims were NEVER counted in that "tentative" or rounded number that someone had left at the bottom.

My screenshot is cut off and doesn't show all of 45 of them -- but does anyone really think that these 45 lines should all total up to only ZERO alleged victims? One or two posters have indicated that these 45 lines should add ZERO additional victims to the number.  Yet, some of the perpetrators who are marked with 10+ victims were disfellowshipped 3 times and reinstated twice. Is it really reasonable to think that we should continue to count 10+ victims as ZERO victims even for those cases?

 

[Pudgy]

… Sometimes …. details don’t matter.

[Srecko Sostar]

We've reached the 10th page and still haven't found out if JWTV can be trusted. But we found out, for example, that the ARC statistics table is not published on any WTJWorg platform.
Perhaps the interpretation of how to "read" a table like this should be left to P. Brumley and his team. Or to some GB helpers. They would surely explain that it is satanic propaganda and an attempt to persecute the Organization.

[TrueTomHarley]

I would think a telling question posed to anyone who expounds at great length about this would be do they know anything else about Australia?

[Srecko Sostar]

9 minutes ago, TrueTomHarley said:

else about Australia?

About New Zealand Commission too, perhaps?

The Jehovah's Witness church has filed legal action to be exempted from the state-wide investigation into sexual and other abuse.

It is seeking a judicial review and High Court declaration that the church does not assume responsibility for the care of children, young people, or vulnerable people.

The Royal Commission of Inquiry into Abuse said the church was arguing there were no instances of abuse within it that fall within the scope of the inquiry.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/491206/jehovah-s-witness-church-seeks-exemption-from-royal-commission-abuse-in-care-inquiry

[Pudgy]

The only other thing I know about Australia is about Crocodile Dundee and his huge Bowie Knife, and in the center of the country there’s a place called Olympia Dam which mines a great deal of uranium, and uses giant mutant ants for labor. Oh!, and they have wire fences that go in straight lines from ocean to ocean, to keep the Rabbits out ….. or in …. depending on your perspective.

Oh … and all Australian women are named Shiela, and men like to put full beer mugs on their head and have other men hit them in the face to try and knock it off.

Also, Australia has no firearms, or dentists.