September 2023 brings a “global campaign” for the Jehovah’s Witnesses

[Pudgy]

Either babies are  the ENEMIES OF GOD.

Or they are not.

So …. which is it Frankie?

[Pudgy]

1 hour ago, Pudgy said:

Either babies are  the ENEMIES OF GOD.

Or they are not.

So …. which is it Frankie?

Very simple questions that have“yes”, or “no” answers, Frankie, and you choke … then vomit up a rambling rant of a thousand words to try and deflect that you are defending the indefensible.

[Pudgy]

Choked again eh?

It’s a simple “yes” or “no” answer to a simple “yes” or “no” question.

Something you seem totally incapable of doing.

This is known as “Agenda Lock”.

The Truth will set you Free.

[Pudgy]

6 hours ago, Pudgy said:

Either babies are  the ENEMIES OF GOD.

Or they are not.

So …. which is it Frankie?

 

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12 hours ago, Fausto Hoover said:

It's fascinating how the manipulation persists, especially when it involves distorting someone else's words. An adult should be aware of the distinction in significance. When someone uses ultimatums solely as a means to engage in arguments, it becomes evident to the public that this individual is resorting to desperate measures.

It is possible for a child to grow up and become a rapist, serial killer, pedophile, thief, or engage in other criminal activities. Does that imply that a newborn child is inherently innocent and free from imperfections? Is the idea of children developing into murderers really that impractical? If you comprehend the message of Mark 13:12 and the teachings of Paul in Acts 7:19, it becomes evident that even a newly born child cannot escape the clutches of imperfection.

The subject of innate human nature and its connection to criminal behavior is a complex and debated topic. While a newborn child does not possess the cognitive ability or developed personality traits of an adult, it is generally accepted that they are born without a pre-existing inclination towards criminal behavior.
In many philosophical and legal systems, the concept of innocence applies to newborns, as they have not yet had the opportunity to act or develop a conscious understanding of right and wrong. It is important to distinguish between potential and actual behavior, as an individual's upbringing, environment, and life experiences greatly influence their choices and actions as they grow.

Criminal behavior typically arises from a combination of various factors, including genetic predispositions, psychological factors, environmental influences, and personal experiences. It is crucial to understand that these factors interact in a complex manner, and no single factor can solely determine an individual's likelihood of engaging in criminal activities.

While it is possible for individuals to grow up and engage in criminal acts, it is a misconception to assume that all newborns are inherently flawed or destined for such behavior. It is the responsibility of society, parents, caregivers, and educational institutions to foster a nurturing environment that instills moral values, empathy, and a sense of right and wrong in children as they develop. By addressing risk factors, supporting positive development, and providing appropriate interventions, it is possible to reduce the likelihood of individuals engaging in criminal behavior later in life.

The idea of children developing into murderers is a complex and sensitive topic. While every individual has the potential for both good and evil, it is important to approach this subject with caution and nuance.

Mark 13:12 states, "Brother will betray brother to death, and a father his child. Children will rebel against their parents and have them put to death." This verse is part of a larger passage in which Jesus is warning his disciples about the difficulties they will face in the future. It speaks to the potential for betrayal and conflicts within families, but it does not specifically imply that children are predestined to become murderers.

Similarly, Acts 7:19 recounts the story of Moses and the Pharaoh's command to kill all newborn Hebrew boys. While this verse highlights the tragic reality of children being subjected to violence, it does not imply that all children have an inherent inclination towards murder.

Did the newborn children of Pharaoh who were enlisted into Pharaoh's army develop into ruthless killers? The Bible is a powerful testament on its own. What about the numerous children who have grown up and are currently serving time for the crimes they committed? How many newborns have grown up to join the military and are now murders? 
The discussion revolved around the concept of "potential" rather than the misconception being portrayed by the expelled person as "actual."

 

Belief in the theological doctrine that we all inherited the sin of Adam and Eve and are therefore born sinful and therefore destined to make major and minor mistakes throughout life (that we are prone to sin) is a type of assertion and dogma. Claiming that babies are enemies of God is beyond that first concept.

Does the claim/fact that you were born/created imperfect and prone to sin inevitably mean that you are an enemy of God from the first day of your life?
Does the claim/fact that you were born/created perfect mean that you are not an enemy of God?
Adam and Eve were created/born perfect, says the WTJWorg interpretation. Nowhere in the Bible does God call the two of them His enemies, before or after sin.

On the other hand, the rebel perfect angel was called Satan or enemy/adversary only after the rebellion.
When can an imperfect baby be held responsible for rebellion?

Enmity between them and God was not automatically established from the act that happened to Adam and Eve. Because they did not rebel against God in the way that the Angel did. They "just" disobeyed him about eating the fruit from the tree. That is why God had no reason to call them enemies. If God did not call these two adults and mature people enemies, why would, according to the interpretation of GB member S.L. , babies should be considered enemies of God?

The Bible, in its later NT writings, connects the concept of enmity with God to certain activities that cause the persons who do so to be associated with enemies. Babies are never called enemies, as far as i know.

Furthermore, the question of hatred also opens up here. Does the Enemy deserve our hatred? Yes or no? Does God show hatred towards Adam and Eve? Towards Satan? To people who aren't his fans/worshipers?
But JWs are ready to hate "their enemies"? Yes or no?

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41 minutes ago, Fausto Hoover said:

 “Can babies be considered enemies of God? Absolutely!”

You are insane, without the slightest shred of common sense.

Your DIRECT QUOTE above proves that.

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2 hours ago, Fausto Hoover said:

It is unfortunate that misguided and uninformed individuals, including apostates and those who remain unaware, should influence such opinions. If individuals manipulate their intentions, others who are unaware may perceive them in the same way. It is disheartening to witness the upvoting of an irrational post by individuals lacking wisdom, including those from the exclusive club.

Something else is sad. That something else is not a state of wariness of former or "spiritually" weak JWs, but complete trust in one's own religious leaders. Thus, the invitation by which Gerrit Losch asked JWs to have complete trust in GB as if it were Jesus and JHVH is being fulfilled. And other biblical passages are fulfilled which warn us not to trust in the dignitaries of this (WTJWorg) world.

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2 hours ago, Fausto Hoover said:

Once again the manipulation of Lett's words about the baby are being twisted "look at that little angel" It would be more accurate to say "look at the little enemy of God." Which explanation was deliberately left out of the deceptive video shorts created by apostates? Once more, the superficial grasp of the distinction between "potential" and "actual" is exemplified in human DNA. This inherent flaw in our nature, as all of us are born sinners, signifies that we have the capacity to become enemies of God, just as is vividly portrayed in this forum. 

Can babies be considered enemies of God? Absolutely! The individuals who have become manipulative apostates and the ones who have been disfellowshipped with hateful intentions have transformed into what an enemy of God is and that is what "Lett's" words truly meant.

Regarding the omission in the video shorts made by the apostate, without specific information about the video or context, it is difficult to provide a direct answer. However, it is important to remember that different individuals may have different interpretations of religious teachings or events. As for the concept of inherent sin and capacity to become enemies of God, this is a theological belief held by certain religious traditions. Some believe that all human beings are born with original sin and have the potential to become distant from God due to their actions. It is crucial to acknowledge that various religious beliefs have different perspectives on these matters.
 

Based on the above, we can accept other possibilities of conclusion. The idea "that we have the capacity to become enemies of God" was realized by the very act of God's creation of angels and the first humans.

The possibility and capacity to be an enemy does not arise from the fact that someone is born/created perfect or imperfect, but from the fact that all of them have the freedom to decide that all of them  have free will, which they received from God. So, God is the cause of this possibility for someone to become his enemy. And what are we going to do now?

Free will exists only when we can realize it in reality. Before that it is just a fantasy of the mind. When can a baby realize, exercise its free will? 

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52 minutes ago, Fausto Hoover said:

the term "baby,"

baby

1 of 3

noun

ba·by ˈbā-bē 

 

pluralbabies

Synonyms of baby

1

a(1)

: an extremely young child

especially : INFANT

 

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/baby

 

A speaker like S. Lett probably knows how to use a noun and probably knows in which context he can use it. From the video clip, he used the noun in a temporal context that includes the moment/time after the birth of a child by a woman.

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