Genesis 6:21 and pre-flood food?

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The Raven

Speaking of a time prior to the end of the flood, we find this in our literature:

"By naturalists, the crafty raven is considered to be one of the most adaptable and resourceful of all birds. In view of this as well as its flying strength and ability to survive on a wide variety of food, including carrion, the raven was an apt candidate for being the first creature to be sent outside the ark by Noah at the time the waters of the Flood had begun to recede. The text indicates that the raven thereafter remained outside the ark, using it only as a resting-place.—Ge 8:5-7." (Ref https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1200003651 )

According to this, ravens using carrion as food is part of what made the animal an apt candidate to send outside that ark. This speaks directly to carrion eaters being created for the purpose of helping return dead carcasses to the earth. It's a part of God's testimony spoken by His creation. (Ref Ps. 19:1 Rom. 1:20 )

 

 

[Pudgy]

THAT is one heckofa STRETCH.

I give it a probability … and that’s how  I view  EVERYTHING … how probable is it! … of zero.

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4 minutes ago, Pudgy said:

THAT is one heckofa STRETCH.

I give it a probability … and that’s how  I view  EVERYTHING … how probable is it! … of zero.

Of what? Abel eating meat? Can you think of a reason why he wouldn't?

- Vegetation can be just a lethal to humans as meat, depending on what you eat and when.

- Vegetation can spoil just as meat can.

- Meat can be stored by basic methods just like vegetation can.

So, if what you find improbable is the notion of Abel eating meat, why?

[Pudgy]

I personally believe Able was cooking up lambchops or some tasty animal on a homemade fireplace grill and sharing part of it with Jehovah.

Being a cartoon dog I have access to Mr. Peabody’s and his boy Sherman’s Wayback Machine and a SX-70 Polaroid Camera.

…… I will see what I can do.

 

[Many Miles]

Logical scriptural argument:

- If carrion was a kind of food eaten prior to the flood,

- Then carrion was stowed on the ark as food to be eaten by the human and animal passengers.

- Carrion was a kind of food eaten prior to the flood. “But this little fellow is essentially a scavenger, doing the work for which he was created: returning trash, garbage, and dead carcasses to the earth.” (Ref: https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/101992046?q=cockroaches&p=par , and Ps. 19:1)

- Carrion was stowed on the ark as food to be eaten by the human and animal passengers. Genesis 6:21 reads: “And on your part get yourself some of every kind of food that is eaten, and stow it with you, so as to have it for your eating and for theirs.” BLE (Ref: https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/b/r1/lp-e/by/1/6 )

[Pudgy]

KEY POINT: 

This was BEFORE the Laws were given to Moses.  I personally believe Able was cooking up lambchops or some tasty animal on a homemade fireplace grill and sharing part of it withJehovah.

The Scripture quoted above means to me that 5 out of the 7 unclean animals brought aboard the Ark WERE FOOD FOR THE MEAT EATING ANIMALS!

THINK about it!

Why would Jehovah have over THREE TIMES as many “unclean” animals rescued as “clean” animals?

HE DIDN’T !!

They entered the Ark (the 7s) but they LEFT the Ark by 2s.

Like it or not, accept it or not … but Planet Earth has been populated by predator animals, and prey animals that are eaten for BILLIONS OF YEARS.

THAT IS THE ONLY REALITY THERE IS.

If it offends your delicate sensibilities Please know that it also offends my delicate sensibilities as well, but I realize THAT’s The Way The Real World Works!

Suck it up and don’t be such a pansy!

If you want to be a professional wimp, choose another topic, because EVERYTHING that lives has to EAT.

The dynamic aboard the Ark followed that pattern, as did Able’s lifestyle, and all persons and animals before the Flood, up until now.

All else is Disneyland fantasy.

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51 minutes ago, Pudgy said:

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Like it or not, accept it or not … but Planet Earth has been populated by predator animals, and prey animals that are eaten for BILLIONS OF YEARS.

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Yes. For however many years, carnivores have been a part of earth's ecosystem from the beginning of biological life on the planet. If for no other reason these have always existed because it's an integral part of how carrion is decomposed. What happens in the natural world teaches this and, according to the Bible, the natural world is part of God's testimony. (Ps. 19:1)

[Matthew9969]

Is it possible Noah knocked out some bad people and kept them penned up to feed the meat eaters on the ark:P

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13 minutes ago, Matthew9969 said:

Is it possible Noah knocked out some bad people and kept them penned up to feed the meat eaters on the ark:P

Given that Noah was said to be faultless among his contemporaries, I’d have to say no. Had Noah done as you say, among his contemporaries he’d had been an accursed fugitive. (Gen. 6:9; 4:11, 12)

That said, God surely fed a lot of carrion (including human carrion) to animals by means of the great flood.

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35 minutes ago, George88 said:

The speculation surrounding the mention of carrion meat is somewhat puzzling. It seems unlikely that Noah and his family would consume spoiled meat.

It's not speculation to speak of humans (including Noah and his family) eating carrion dead of natural cause. I'd dare say the meat you eat is of a dead animal. Carrion dead of natural cause can spoil to a point where it is inedible just as flesh of a slaughtered animal can.

Also, and to be clear, nowhere has anyone in this discussion spoken of eating inedible carrion.

As for the general notion of speculation as it related to pre-flood humans eating carrion, there is a logical scriptural argument addressing that just above. You might want to work on that, if you feel you can logically refute its conclusion.

[Pudgy]

I reject the idea that carrion as generally defined was ever a dependable food supply for any living things anytime in history.

It is statistically impossible.

Perhaps if you or an animal killed the prey animal, and then defined that fresh kill as carrion … hmmmm … maybe  … but it is an awkward construct and almost all people DO NOT imagine the grocery stores selling carrion … that is something vultures and other birds who have a highly acidic saliva and stomach acid that will almost instantly disassemble bacteria and toxins do.

In the most general sense, carrion refers to the decaying flesh of dead animals, often found in various stages of decomposition. Carrion can be categorized into different stages of necrosis (decay) based on the degree of decomposition. These stages typically include:

1. Fresh carrion: This is the initial stage of decomposition, where the body is newly deceased, and minimal decay has occurred. The flesh may still appear relatively intact.

2. Bloat stage: During this stage, gases produced by bacteria and other microorganisms begin to accumulate within the body, causing it to swell and become bloated.

3. Active decay: This stage is characterized by the breakdown of tissues, with the release of offensive odors and the presence of scavengers like flies and beetles.

4. Advanced decay: In this stage, most of the flesh has decomposed, leaving behind bones, hair, and tough tissues. Scavengers such as vultures may still feed on what remains.

5. Dry stage: At this point, only desiccated and skeletal remains are left, and decomposition has largely ceased.

Because of the plentiful availability of 5 out of 7 unclean animals on the Ark to be used for predator food, fresh drownings outside the Ark, and when a pregnant “clean” animal died giving birth, and fish, there is no need to introduce the concept of carrion as a food for mankind or animals, in general, but more to the point, it is statistically impossible.

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Just now, Pudgy said:

I reject the idea that carrion as generally defined was ever a dependable food supply for any living things anytime in history.

It is statistically impossible.

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Carrion dead of natural cause has been a food staple for many people. Even the Bible speaks of it. (See Deut. 14:21)

Carrion dead of natural cause spoils just like flesh of slaughtered animals. The fresher it is the safer it is.