Jehovah's Witnesses sue the Netherlands state for discrimination

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WTJWorg is a very strange creation. They preach that they will be "persecuted" by world authorities, institutions and other people who "hate" them because of Jesus and that this is one of the proofs that they are the true religion. On the other hand, they don't want to be "persecuted", so they constantly go to court and file lawsuits more and more frequently. They are absurd in their theology and in the way they try to solve their problems.

 

 

 

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Well, in order to get the straight story and an accurate explanation of what is going on, simply go to the JW. org website and read the current news about this.

Let’s ALL of us curious about this do that, and get this explained and cleared up immediately!

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1 hour ago, George88 said:

The Dutch government's attempt to restrict the activities of the Watchtower organization is unjust and warrants legal action.

What you write is incorrect. The government deals with victims of pedophilia because WTJWorg does not deal with the needs of JW victims within its own ranks, but deals with making the Organization look like the best religion.

You forget that Richard Asche stated in a deposition that WTJWorg is concerned with the spiritual protection of its members, and that government institutions should be concerned with the physical protection of JWs.
Apparently, JW elders are not trained to provide emotional and psychological help and any other professional support to victims of pedophilia. Victims in the Netherlands gave their statements confirming that WTJWorg has no ability or willingness to provide professional help to victims.

Given that WTJWorg publications very often speak against "secular" institutions of any kind and do not encourage their members to seek the help of psychologists or psychiatrists in hospital institutions, it is clear that the objection made by WTJWorg is unjustified and hypocritical.

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12 minutes ago, George88 said:

ex-members

As far as I understand from the video, ex-JWs in this case are not people who theologically disagree with GB, but victims of pedophilia who became ex-JWs due to treatment within the congregation.

 

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10 minutes ago, George88 said:

Here is something for your contemplation.

*** g91 10/8 p. 4 The Secret Wounds of Child Abuse ***
The Secret Wounds of Child Abuse
 

Take a good look at the article and the DATE it was published, before and after the more recent activities by the government. Perhaps had they paid attention to some of the Watchtower articles, they might have done something about it sooner, and not when the U.N. made it a political sticking point in 2013.

Then after you read the article, refute it if you can.

The article you presented cites many secular sources, hence the "human perspective", which WTJWorg alarms its members against, in general.

A few Bible quotes do not make WTJWorg an expert on child abuse. You have not actually contributed any arguments that would elevate the "spiritual help" of the Society over the professional help provided by a professional secular institution.

The Bible does not even mention what types of violence against children were known, visible in biblical times. Nowhere (as far as I know) does the Bible explicitly condemn (sexual or other) violence against children, nor does it give specific insight into how such children can be helped.

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30 minutes ago, George88 said:

I am leaning towards placing my trust in what you say. Many individuals believe they have suffered injustices 30 years later and are now seeking compensation with the help of highly skilled lawyers. Why didn't they take action earlier instead of waiting until the dollar sign appeared? The situation is truly disheartening.

Certainly one can have a conversation about that, why didn't they sue WTJWorg earlier.

16 minutes ago, George88 said:

If researchers were able to investigate and provide solutions for understanding the problem in 1991, why didn't the governments do the same?

We can guess. But we can speculate as to why WTJWorg has secret files on perpetrators and victims that go back even further (as much as 70 years). They have not published any articles about it or what they have done to help the children.

21 minutes ago, George88 said:

What age do you think Tamar was when Amnon violated her? There is a belief that even at the age of 18, people in ancient times would still be regarded as children. I find it hard to believe that Tamar was actually that old. However, my true outrage lies with the actions of Amnon and the instigator, Jonadab.

At that time, close relatives could marry (in young age too), as is evident from Tamara's words. Today, they would call it incest or similar. 
Furthermore, Absalom kept secret what happened and did not allow Tamara to report the crime to the "authorities". A long-standing practice of JW elders. Here they found a pattern of behavior?

Absalom (the third party) takes matters into his own hands after two years. Why did he wait so long? He had his reasons.

Why are you surprised that the modern victim stifles the event within herself because very often she does not have the support of others in the congregation or even in the family, so she decides years later to disclose the facts to the police and the court.

Jonadab is a trickster like some JW religious leaders today. What is there to be surprised about. David could have had information about the event, which I have no doubt, but he did nothing. It is significant from the question in paragraph 26; Then Absalom said, “If not, please let my brother Amnon go with us.” And the king said to him, “Why should he go with you?”

So, again, a historical example, pattern of how they (GB) can  "biblically legalize" similar acts today in WTJWorg at the highest levels of church authority. Hush up.

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10 hours ago, George88 said:

This is also a guess by former members who have argued it over the internet. How many governments allow you personally to see their internal documentation? Now be honest!

WTJWorg is not government!

 

10 hours ago, George88 said:

So, if a brother violates his sister, it's incest and not "child sexual abuse." It seems stranger coming from you to think that way. It also seems you are making an inference to age and marriage to justify the act of rape.

Since the complete story is not mentioned in scripture aside from the act itself, how would you know what process was taken aside from Amnon's outcome by Absalom?

A marriage between Tamara and Amnon would be incest by today's moral standards. In the culture of the Jews of that time, it would have been normal. Rape is another part of the story of Tamara and Amnon, so I don't know how you came to the conclusion that it is something I approve of. Rape as a crime has nothing to do with whether people are related or not. You are strange when you draw wrong conclusions about my comments.

The problem that arises from the fact that the Bible is silent is a problem that is not mine. I have the right to my interpretation, regardless of whether my opinion is wrong or right or something else. The positive side is that I do not impose my point of view on anyone, and on other side, GB implements its interpretations as a dogma that you JWs are obliged to obey.

 

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https://nos.nl/artikel/2501440-rechter-onderzoek-seksueel-misbruik-jehova-s-getuigen-geen-discriminatie

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What to Know

Prosecute is most often used to refer to bringing legal action against someone else, and is related to the Latin word for "pursue." It is often confused with persecute which means "to harass, torment, or punish, especially for one's beliefs." If you find yourself frequently one the wrong side of prosecution, you might end up feeling persecuted.

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Of course, for 40 years and more I believed that Cain married a sister, because I never thought of it that there could be another explanation that made a lot more sense.

At the time he was exiled, besides Adam and Eve he was the only direct created man on earth … “Homo Theocraticus” if you will … and since there is hard fossil evidence … hundreds of tons of hard fossil evidence from all over the world of “homo sapien” civilizations that predate Eden … enough that Cain was afraid of being killed WHEREVER HE ROAMED, there is no need to assume incest with his imaginary “sisters” who did not yet exist.

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21 hours ago, George88 said:

What age do you think Tamar was when Amnon violated her? There is a belief that even at the age of 18, people in ancient times would still be regarded as children. I find it hard to believe that Tamar was actually that old. However, my true outrage lies with the actions of Amnon and the instigator, Jonadab.

If you want to provide evidence that Tamara was a minor at the time of the rape, and that the crime thus falls under the CSA according to today's criteria, please go ahead.