Watchtower's 1914 Chronology - Ad Nauseum

[JW Insider]

30 minutes ago, BTK59 said:

What positive outcomes can be achieved by spreading disinformation?

None. That's my point. If someone is just about to come into the truth, and they ask their study conductor if it's true that this or that controversy really happened, or if it was true that when Brother Jackson testified at the Australian Royal Commission on CSA really said that Proverbs isn't really talk about corporal punishment. Then what happens when the study conductor says, "No, Brother Jackson was never asked to testify, or we would have heard about it in the Watchtower or on JW.ORG." (This supposedly actually happened, although the original question was only about whether he testified at the ARC, not about corporal punishment.) Now, who is spreading disinformation??? 

The likelihood of "stumbling" a new one may be even stronger when we outright deny something through ignorance of controversial issues. That person who asked the study conductor about something, and the study conductor spread disinformation in response. Now we have a possibility that the one studied with can just easily pull up the video, and he will begin thinking that JWs are some kind of cult who will deny reality. And the study conductor may begin wondering "why such important information was hidden from us." Now we have TWO persons potentially stumbled, when just being aware of the situation could have easily resolved the whole thing, and Brother Jackson's words could be better defended in context.

When we are so quick to deny anything negative out of ignorance, we not only look bad, we can easily cause others to stumble, especially when we consider how easy it is for people to find controversial information online. I think there will come a time very soon when any question can be asked of an AI LLM and it will quickly spit out ALL sides of the answer to a question, pro and con. We shouldn't be so arrogant as to suppose that only OUR own preferred side of a controversy will be available to interested persons. 

[JW Insider]

8 minutes ago, BTK59 said:

What motivated brothers in the past to stand up for Pastor Russell and correct the misconceptions surrounding pyramology?

A better question is: what motivated nearly ZERO brothers that we know about to stand up for the Bible's view? What motivated brothers after they began following Russell, to study the pyramids and write extensively, even visiting the Great Pyramid and writing books about it, in full support of faulty mathematics, and faulty astronomy? What made them so gullible? What motivated The Bible Students Monthly (in the issue just prior to the one you showed earlier) to make exorbitant claims that this pyramid was the ORACLE of Jehovah? Why did no one seem to question it at all until the very day that Rutherford came out in the Watchtower and said it was from Satan?  

[BTK59]

12 minutes ago, JW Insider said:

None. That's my point. If someone is just about to come into the truth, and they ask their study conductor if it's true that this or that controversy really happened, or if it was true that when Brother Jackson testified at the Australian Royal Commission on CSA really said that Proverbs isn't really talk about corporal punishment. Then what happens when the study conductor says, "No, Brother Jackson was never asked to testify, or we would have heard about it in the Watchtower or on JW.ORG." (This supposedly actually happened, although the original question was only about whether he testified at the ARC, not about corporal punishment.) Now, who is spreading disinformation??? 

You're resorting to posting senseless content to camouflage your own shortcomings. I refuse to engage in that. Stay focused on the topic you initially introduced and avoid creating unnecessary controversy.

14 minutes ago, JW Insider said:

The likelihood of "stumbling" a new one may be even stronger when we outright deny something through ignorance of controversial issues. That person who asked the study conductor about something, and the study conductor spread disinformation in response. Now we have a possibility that the one studied with can just easily pull up the video, and he will begin thinking that JWs are some kind of cult who will deny reality. And the study conductor may begin wondering "why such important information was hidden from us." Now we have TWO persons potentially stumbled, when just being aware of the situation could have easily resolved the whole thing, and Brother Jackson's words could be better defended in context.

We have irrefutable evidence of this through the individuals who arrive here only to be disheartened by your negativity, behavior, manipulation, and dishonesty. Therefore, I must acknowledge your exceptional performance.

16 minutes ago, JW Insider said:

When we are so quick to deny anything negative out of ignorance, we not only look bad, we can easily cause others to stumble, especially when we consider how easy it is for people to find controversial information online. I think there will come a time very soon when any question can be asked of an AI LLM and it will quickly spit out ALL sides of the answer to a question, pro and con. We shouldn't be so arrogant as to suppose that only OUR own preferred side of a controversy will be available to interested persons. 

You're not just part of the problem, but also are not the key to the solution. What advantages does the visitor gain from being here? How can people weigh in on the pros when there are only cons.

10 minutes ago, JW Insider said:

A better question is: what motivated nearly ZERO brothers that we know about to stand up for the Bible's view? What motivated brothers after they began following Russell, to study the pyramids and write extensively, even visiting the Great Pyramid and writing books about it, in full support of faulty mathematics, and faulty astronomy? What made them so gullible? What motivated The Bible Students Monthly (in the issue just prior to the one you showed earlier) to make exorbitant claims that this pyramid was the ORACLE of Jehovah? Why did no one seem to question it at all until the very day that Rutherford came out in the Watchtower and said it was from Satan?  

That's why I encourage visitors to explore the true narratives firsthand instead of being swayed by dissatisfied individuals who reject what they read.

[JW Insider]

2 hours ago, BTK59 said:

Therefore, what is the benefit of airing this nonsense in public?

I also wondered why you brought this up seemingly out of nowhere when you said:

On 6/7/2024 at 12:35 AM, BTK59 said:

Nevertheless, Russell also understood that the end of the Gentile times would occur in 1914, not the end of the world as claimed by former members.? Can you refute WW1?

I assumed, that you had your own reasons to bring up the "controversy" portion by adding "not the end of the world as claimed by former members." I had to assume that you knew good and well that Russell understood the "Gentile times" to mean something quite different from what we now believe and that therefore Russell's Gentile Times did not end in 1914. I figured you thought I would know the truth about that partially false statement and might try to correct it. This would provide you an opportunity to say: See, JWI is a deceiver, because all true Scotsmen Witnesses agree that the Gentile Times ended in 1914. But I didn't bother with that point. The bigger non sequitur in your question was intriguing so I went with that: "Can you refute WW1?" 

I'm sure it was for the same purpose because you knew I might tell the truth about how WW1 demolished Russell's predictions about never coming out of that war until the crumbling of ALL human institutions, kingdoms, and organizations (with the exception of an ever-expanding Zionist rule from Jerusalem that would finally fill the earth). I was sure you knew the truth, that WW1 refuted Russell. But you also knew that if I told the truth, this would play well to an angle you have promoted about how correct Russell was about Zionism. Oddly, however, your promotion of Russell's false prediction as "correct" flies in the face of later publications in Rutherford's book, Light I, II in 1930. Your take on it, ironically, is a criticism of the Governing Body's take on it. 

And then of course, the piece of "bait" you were most hoping I would take, evidently. Then confirmed when you "triumphantly?" (I'm guessing) brought out the January 1914 Bible Students Monthly.  It was obvious that was what you had in mind all along, because you had recently tried to involve someone else with that same point. 

But for anyone who knew the context and timing of this Canadian claim about Russell and the "end of the world" it would have been obvious to them that this came out at the time when Russell admitted that his faith in the 1914 date was faltering (mostly between November 1913 and May 1914). Russell knew good and well that he had been using the term translated from "aionos" (world, system of things, age) and had even defined "cosmos/kosmos" (world, system of things, national and international institutions) to be able to speak of the "end of the world" but then show that his definition, even of "kosmos" referred not to the planet itself but all the kingdoms and institutions of the world which would be dissolved through the time of trouble starting in 1914 and the following months, most likely. 

When the warmongering nations began to be vocal Russell's wavering faith in 1914 was strengthened again:

There is absolutely no ground for Bible students to question that the consummation of this Gospel age is now even at the door, and that it will end as the Scriptures foretell in a great time of trouble such as never was since there was a nation. We see the participants in this great crisis banding themselves together [...] The great crisis, the great clash [...] that will consume the ecclesiastical heavens and the social earth, is very near. - "Now Is Our Salvation Nearer", The Watch Tower, May 1, 1914.

[BTK59]

20 minutes ago, JW Insider said:

I also wondered why you brought this up seemingly out of nowhere when you said:

My statement is based on facts, whereas your observation is not. Therefore, my intention was to unveil and correct the misconception, not to make a baseless claim.

22 minutes ago, JW Insider said:

I assumed, that you had your own reasons to bring up the "controversy" portion by adding "not the end of the world as claimed by former members."

It is an undeniable fact that apostates use the phrase "the end of the world" to refer to both 1914 and 1975. Your continued use of such tactics to distract is just another one of your manipulative strategies.

25 minutes ago, JW Insider said:

I had to assume that you knew good and well that Russell understood the "Gentile times" to mean something quite different from what we now believe and that therefore Russell's Gentile Times did not end in 1914.

When individuals oppose it, they have the ability to express their emotions freely, but this does not make their claims necessarily true. Therefore, I strongly encourage anyone who is interested to conduct their own thorough research and uncover the genuine facts.

27 minutes ago, JW Insider said:

I'm sure it was for the same purpose because you knew I might tell the truth about how WW1 demolished Russell's predictions about never coming out of that war until the crumbling of ALL human institutions, kingdoms, and organizations (with the exception of an ever-expanding Zionist rule from Jerusalem that would finally fill the earth). I was sure you knew the truth, that WW1 refuted Russell. But you also knew that if I told the truth, this would play well to an angle you have promoted about how correct Russell was about Zionism. Oddly, however, your promotion of Russell's false prediction as "correct" flies in the face of later publications in Rutherford's book, Light I, II in 1930. Your take on it, ironically, is a criticism of the Governing Body's take on it. 

Your statement appears contradictory, but I invite you to challenge it. WW1 Pudgy was unable to do so, but I encourage you to try.

I won't delve into the entire history of the Bible Students like you're attempting to do, in order to gain the attention of the masses in the closed club.

31 minutes ago, JW Insider said:

But for anyone who knew the context and timing of this Canadian claim about Russell and the "end of the world" it would have been obvious to them that this came out at the time when Russell admitted that his faith in the 1914 date was faltering (mostly between November 1913 and May 1914). Russell knew good and well that he had been using the term translated from "aionos" (world, system of things, age) and had even defined "cosmos/kosmos" (world, system of things, national and international institutions) to be able to speak of the "end of the world" but then show that his definition, even of "kosmos" referred not to the planet itself but all the kingdoms and institutions of the world which would be dissolved through the time of trouble starting in 1914 and the following months, most likely. 

You are effectively refuting your own points with your contradictory statements. Your argument is strong enough that I need not contribute.

33 minutes ago, JW Insider said:

When the war finally started his wavering faith in 1914 was strengthened again:

There is absolutely no ground for Bible students to question that the consummation of this Gospel age is now even at the door, and that it will end as the Scriptures foretell in a great time of trouble such as never was since there was a nation. We see the participants in this great crisis banding themselves together [...] The great crisis, the great clash [...] that will consume the ecclesiastical heavens and the social earth, is very near. - "Now Is Our Salvation Nearer", The Watch Tower, May 1, 1914.

This example merely showcases your inclination to analyze beyond the surface, disregarding countless literary passages that clearly convey intent instead of mere speculation. By selectively posting only the ones that support your argument and refusing to share others, you grant the public the freedom to conduct their own research.

[BTK59]

Have a great evening, as I won't be posting any more since it appears only nonsense is at work. I'm calling it a night!

Let's see tomorrow how JWI will explain his controversial statement.

OVM

(5) The feet and toes of the image, representing the Papacy and the commingling of State and Church domination, we find pictured in the ten horns of the terrible beast. These beasts are to rule the world until the end of Gentile times of world domination, October, 1914, which will also be the end of the Jewish times of Divine disfavor. Then the dominion will pass from these beasts, and their bodies or organizations as Governments will be given to the burning flame--turned over to destruction. The Prophet pictures the end of Gentile times and the manifestation of the Ancient of Days, whose throne was like a fiery flame and who caused the judgment to sit. It was at that time that the words of the last beast came into judgment--the great words uttered by the horn that had eyes and a mouth and that spake great, swelling words,--claimed by nearly all expositors of the past to represent Papacy and its boast of infallibility, etc. Then the beast was slain--the great and terrible beast, and his body.

It certainly seems like something that did occur during WW1. I would be interested in seeing how you refute Pastor Russell's words that contradict your argument.

[JW Insider]

55 minutes ago, BTK59 said:

It is an undeniable fact that apostates use the phrase "the end of the world" to refer to both 1914 and 1975. Your continued use of such tactics to distract is just another one of your manipulative strategies.

I never use the phrase "the end of the world" to refer to 1914 and 1975. I do point out that Russell was using a kind of available wordplay to backtrack on the idea that he had in fact been teaching the end of the "world" in 1914 and sometimes 1915. Only it was the definition of the word "world" which was effectively "the social order."  In fact it is about the same definition the Watchtower has always used. I never believed that the Watchtower taught or claimed that the end of the world (the system of things) would happen in 1975. There was a time when the Watchtower taught that it would be in the 1970's, and if not 1975, then within a few months following 1975, but NOT years following 1975. (Based on the faulty and unbiblical 6,000 years premise.) To Russell's credit, he admitted shortly after October 1914 that it would likely be just a few short months, but that it COULD be years before the transition from this Age to the next.

Russell taught that the social order would end in 1914. That the final battle would end in 1914, sometimes 1915. Here are some samples from 1894 included the 1894 reference to 1892

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CAN  IT  BE  DELAYED  UNTIL  1914? 

We see no reason for changing the figures— nor could we change them if we would. They are, we believe, God's dates, not ours. But bear in mind that the end of 1914 is not the date for the beginning, but for the end of the time of trouble. We see no reason for changing from our opinion expressed in the View presented in the WATCH TOWER of Jan. 15, '92. We advise that it be read again.

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The  Scriptures  give  unmistakable  testimony
to  those  who  have  full  faith  in  its  records,  that
there  is  a  great  time  of  trouble  ahead  of  the
present  comparative  calm  in  the  world— a  trouble
which  will  embroil  all  nations,  overthrow
all  existing  institutions,  civil,  social  and  religious,
bring  about  a  universal  reign  of  anarchy
and  terror,  and  prostrate  humanity  in  the  very
dust  of  despair,  thus  to  make  them  ready  to  appreciate
the  power  that  will  bring  order  out  of
that  confusion  and  institute  the  new  rule  of
righteousness.  All  this,  the  Scriptures  show  us,
is  to  come  to  pass  before  the  year  1915  (See
MILLENNIAL  DAWN,  Vol.  II.,  Chapter  IV.)

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1892:

That  the  overthrow  of  the  present  nominal
ecclesiastical  systems ...  the  overthrow
of  the  civil  powers  is  thus  indicated—
...  until  A.D.  1914.  ... The  Editor  expects  from  Rev.  19:20
that  the  final  overthrow  of  present  governments

will  be  at  the  same  time  as  the  fall
of  ecclesiasticism  and  will  be  followed  by  from
five  to  seven  years  of  socialism  and  anarchy,  to
end  with  19 14  by  the  establishment  of  Christ's
Millennial  government

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All  this  remains  to  be  accomplished before  the  trouble  upon  the  world  can  reach  its crisis;  for  . . . we  can  readily  see  what  the  results  will  be -- viz.,  a  sudden  and  terrible  overthrow,  as  the Scriptures  predict.  . . . This  culmination  we  do  not expect,  however,  before  about  1905,  as  the events  predicted  will  require  about  that  time, notwithstanding  the  rapid  progress  in  these  directions now  possible.

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1894:

This latter part of the commission was not due until the harvest or end of the age; . . . — the latter part must of necessity be declared by those members of the body living in the last times —the harvest or end of the age, from A.D. 1874 to A.D. 1915. It is upon this generation that "the days of vengeance" are coming; and it is this generation therefore, that should hear the voice of warning. It is in the midst of the great afflictions of the now impending time of trouble "such as never was since there was a nation,"... Thus in due time— the end of the harvest and time of trouble— "all that mourn" will be "comforted." Then the whole world will have learned to be still and to know that the Lord's reign of righteousness is begun —the Kingdom of God established in the earth.-Psa. 46:10.

[JW Insider]

3 hours ago, BTK59 said:

It certainly seems like something that did occur during WW1. I would be interested in seeing how you refute Pastor Russell's words that contradict your argument.

Russell's words ARE exactly my argument about what Russell was teaching. Read them again. The beastly organizations of this world would be destroyed in 1914, including the Papacy, which would also be slain along with all governments by October 1914. October 1914 would also mark the end of the times of Jewish disfavor. Imagine, nearly ZERO antisemitism after October 1914 because there would now never again be Gentile kings. Those Gentile kings had their day, and now it was time for Zionism to reign supreme and begin establishment over the entire earth beginning in Palestine.

Russell's words did not refute Russell's teachings. The events of WW1 refuted Russell's teachings about October 1914.  

3 hours ago, BTK59 said:

disregarding countless literary passages that clearly convey intent instead of mere speculation. By selectively posting only the ones that support your argument and refusing to share others, you grant the public the freedom to conduct their own research.

Then I thank you for sharing additional passages supporting the point.

[BTK59]

Visitors, I see no value in engaging in a futile debate with an unchangeable individual who falsely claims to be a witness yet denies the significance of 607 BC and 1914. This person presents misleading arguments that do not align with our current understanding, seeking only to sow discord and division among our faithful community. For a decade, he has been a persistent source of dissension and should have been removed long ago, much like how he excommunicates those who speak the truth here. His actions are motivated by self-preservation, stemming from a multitude of distortions.

As I may face a ban for speaking the truth, I recommend reading Pastor Russell's 2nd and 3rd volumes from his book series. There you will discover the truth about what Pastor Russell was referring to. This individual has been caught in a lie about Pastor Russell not connecting the "gentile times" and 1914, making it impossible to reason with an unreasonable man, whom people here are praising.

_the_time_is_at_hand / thy_kingdom_come

There you will find passages such as:

Pastor Russell had a profound understanding that for Christ's Kingdom to come to fruition, the right conditions needed to be present on earth, serving as a clear indication. World War I served as that unmistakable sign, signaling the end of the gentile times precisely in 1914. There is no room for confusion or disputes regarding the timeline: it was not 1915, nor 1916, nor any other year one might suggest. Those who deny the historical accuracy of 607 BC, 537 BC, and 1914, like apostates, are simply unwilling to accept the undeniable truth revealed by the existence of World War 1.

Do you not believe that today's Bible scholars have remained silent regarding the extensive dissemination of disinformation on the internet?

The analogy of the "proofreader" used by some is similar to the contrast analogy used by the Bible Students.

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A few cases like the typist's mistake of substituting 1873 for 1874 in the Author's Foreword, several like mistakes in substituting 1915 for 1914 and the mistake of making the Jewish Harvest end in 70 instead of in 69 (a mistake that the Author in 1904 corrected (p. 245, par. 2), but did not correct in the various places of its occurrence, because prohibited by the condition of the plates) the Editor silently corrected. As in the case of Volume I, linotype, which considerations of economy made him use instead of the more compressible hand type of the earlier edition, forced him to make slight verbal condensations without affecting the sense, in order to keep the pages of uniform size with the earlier editions, 

This Volume sets forth, what its author has been preaching for over forty years, that the Times of the Gentiles chronologically ended in the fall of 1914. The expression, Times of the Gentiles, in Bible usage signifies the years, or period of time, in which the Gentile nations of the world were to be permitted to have control, following the taking away of the typical kingdom from natural Israel, and filling the hiatus between that event and the establishment of God's Kingdom in the hands of Messiah—"whose right it is"—Ezek. 21:27. 

We could not, of course, know in 1889, whether the date 1914, so clearly marked in the Bible as the end of the Gentile lease of power or permission to rule the world, would mean that they would be fully out of power at that time, or whether, their lease expiring, their eviction would begin. The latter we perceive to be the Lord's program; and promptly in August, 1914, the Gentile kingdoms referred to in the prophecy began the present great struggle, which, according to the Bible, will culminate in the complete overthrow of all human government, opening the way for the full establishment of the Kingdom of God's dear Son. 

We are not able to see behind the veil; we are not able to know the things progressing under the direction of our glorious Lord and the members of His Church already glorified. Our thought is that somehow the Lord is taking a hand in the affairs of the world now as He did not do in times past. We do know that the great Time of Trouble, which has begun, very closely corresponds to the Divine declaration respecting the time and conditions of the establishment of Messiah's Kingdom. The Lord Himself informs us that, at the time He shall take to Himself His great power and reign, the nations will be mad and the Divine wrath will come. A little later on the time will come for the judging of the dead, and the giving of the reward to God's servants, small and great, leading on finally to the destruction of the incorrigible, who would exercise a corrupt influence upon the earth—Rev. 21:8. 

All over the world people knew of the expectations of Bible Students in respect to the year 1914; and when so stupendous a war as the present one broke loose, when the winds of strife began to blow with such fury and destruction, thousands remembered what they had heard and read respecting the end of the Gentile Times. Thousands today have come to fully appreciate the times in which we are living. The influence is very helpful and inspiring. A realization that we are in the Day of the Lord, and that very soon all of His saints will be gathered to Him by the resurrection change, has a stimulating and encouraging influence upon Bible students, separating them from the world and its fears and ambitions and fixing their eyes upon the Crown of Life, which the Lord has in reservation for them that love Him most. 

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He is referring to the future tense, as he believes that Christ has begun to reign in his heavenly kingdom, and the Bible students now need to wait for the summoning of the 144,000 at some point in the future. We share the same privilege, but our time has come much closer due to our understanding of the generations.

You can also research on the internet to find out how modern-day Bible students defend Pastor Russell against the same disinformation being spread here.

Did Russell Originally Obtain the Date 1914 From Pyramids?

On one website, we find the statement: "Russell got the date 1914 originally from the pyramid measurements." On other sites and in many forums, some claim that the date 1914 was "based on" measurements of the Egyptian pyramids, or the Great Pyramid. This idea is repeated on many websites, forums, and Facebook groups. On another site, one may find: "One of the strangest 'revelations' from the pyramids was his calculated date of 1914. The date was based on his measurements of the interior passageways of the pyramids." Both statements are incorrect. By examining Russell's studies, Vol. 2 and Vol. 3, we can see that the date 1914 was obtained from Biblical time prophecies and parallels. The date was not originally obtained from pyramid measurements, nor was it based on measurements of passageways of any pyramid. It is true, however, that Russell believed that one pyramid, often referred to as the Great Pyramid, and this pyramid only -- not pyramids -- does verify the date 1914, as well as many other Biblical dates.
 

Therefore, feel free to use the information temporarily posted as one of the habits here, and after a ban, the removal of content that proves them wrong.

 

[nkboswell]

On 6/9/2024 at 1:42 AM, BTK59 said:

Pastor Russell had a profound understanding that for Christ's Kingdom to come to fruition, the right conditions needed to be present on earth, serving as a clear indication. World War I served as that unmistakable sign, signaling the end of the gentile times precisely in 1914. There is no room for confusion or disputes regarding the timeline: it was not 1915, nor 1916, nor any other year one might suggest. Those who deny the historical accuracy of 607 BC, 537 BC, and 1914, like apostates, are simply unwilling to accept the undeniable truth revealed by the existence of World War 1.

NKBoswell Comment:
It seems that your position is based on personal observation rather than published information. I have had similar experiences with individuals who have read the comments of C.T. Russell was in the Overland Monthly as the Pastor of the Brooklyn Tabernacle. He offered a profound comparison, suggesting that the release of the Jewish people from Palestine in 1914 effectively liberated them from their gentile bondage. I found that comparison quite fascinating.

Bible Students:
II.--Hope Long Deferred Now Reviving
BY C. T. RUSSELL
"For the present we content ourselves with the bare statement that, according to the Bible, Palestine will be flourishing with a large population of Jews at the close of the year 1914. The Scriptures indicate that the gathering will be "out of all nations," and with considerable wealth and general prosperity. We are not to
understand that this means that all the Jews of the world will go to Palestine, but that some of the most pious and zealous from every quarter will gather there. At that time will occur what the Bible terms "Jacob's Trouble," in conjunction with a world-wide trouble, financial, religious, political, social, eventuating in anarchy, and, later on, in Israel's exaltation as the earthly exponent of Messiah's spiritual Kingdom."

NKBoswell Comment:

Here, Russell explained how Jews from around the world would be gathered to reestablish the nation of Israel. This vision became a reality when Israel became a state. However, his initial observation of Jewish freedom in 1914 is indeed accurate.

I am inquiring about this because Pastor Russell favored the year 606 BC over our revised date of 607 BC. This viewpoint is also substantiated in volume 2. Nevertheless, I am familiar with the explanation for the year difference, which is both satisfactory and well elucidated by our brothers.

Bible Stidents:

CHRONOLOGY--Beginning of the Trouble in 1914.
Q70:3:: QUESTION (1905)--3--Why should the trouble begin with 1914?

ANSWER--I answer that the reason we expect it to begin there in the full sense is that the Father laid out the plan of this whole age. Here Bro. Russell gave a long talk on the
"Times of the Gentiles" showing that their lease of {Page Q71} power began in 606 B.C. and will end in the fall of 1914, which can be found in detail in Vol.2, of the Dawns.

NKBoswell comment:

You also mentioned Adam Rutherford as a potential cause for public confusion about Christian association. Could you please provide more details?
 

[BTK59]

1 hour ago, nkboswell said:

NKBoswell Comment:
It seems that your position is based on personal observation rather than published information. I have had similar experiences with individuals who have read the comments of C.T. Russell was in the Overland Monthly as the Pastor of the Brooklyn Tabernacle. He offered a profound comparison, suggesting that the release of the Jewish people from Palestine in 1914 effectively liberated them from their gentile bondage. I found that comparison quite fascinating.

Correct. That statement is solely based on my personal observation. I regrettably inserted the comment before referring to the Bible Student publications as a reference point. Thus, according to our revised chronology, 607 BC, 537 BC, and even AD 1914 are supported by scriptural facts and numbers without the bible directly stating the number 2520, or 1914 as demanded by apostates, except AD 1914 which is also used by the Bible Students. Therefore, I highly encourage visitors to exercise discernment when encountering and accepting alternative personal presentations. It is important to recognize that not all of them are grounded in facts.

You are correct about the freedom granted to the Jews from Palestine. Pastor Russell understood the struggles of the Zionist movement against the Turkish Student uprising that started around 1872-1874 or perhaps a little sooner, events that are also documented in secular history.

No, it seems that Adam Rutherford had no association with the Bible Student Association or the International Bible Student Association as far as I can tell. Further research may reveal a different story, possibly indicating a more recent affiliation after some Bible Students decided to sever ties even before Pastor Russell died.

Since the Bible Student Association operated independently, many Elders brought their own interpretations to the table. Some embraced erroneous ideologies that weren't acceptable to Pastor Russell, but since they were all learning something new, any insights that appeared to be valuable were discussed.

Brother Adam Rutherford embodies irony. In the past, individuals of all Christian faiths acted with respect towards others, regardless of their own denominational affiliations. However, in today's world, this kind of consideration is lacking, due to internal apostasy and various other factors.

In his remarkable series, "The 4-Volume Books of Pyramidology," Adam Rutherford not only embraces the Watchtower's stance on 607 BC and AD 1914 but also enhances it with thought-provoking insights. In the most captivating way, Rutherford skillfully links historical data to his own observations, leaving readers astounded since the 3rd volume was published in 1966 with the first volume published in 1957. Through  meticulous research and eloquent writing, he elevates the significance of this topic to new heights, making it impossible to ignore as a researcher.

Sometimes I wonder if that's where the disgraceful COJ got his information from in the late 70s to begin with, linking the Babylonian Tablets to his mistaken theories as if he were the first one, according to the impression given at that time. Heck maybe Bro. Adam Rutherford got the idea from the Watchtower, but not the link to the Babylonian Chronicles since the Watchtower explained that much later than 1966, like in 1971.

Pyramidology -- Adam Rutherford -- Volume 3, 1966

"British drove the Turks out of the rest of Palestine in A.D. 1918, by August of that year.

This, it will be observed, runs parallel with the “ Seven Times ’”’ or 2,520 years (Daniel 4, *°) ‘The Times of the Gentiles,’ which, as explained in Book I, pp. 114-122, began with the commencement of Babylon’s 70 years’ supremacy following the fall of Assyria in 607 B.c. and terminated 2,520 years later in A.D. 1914. According to the Babylonian Chronicle (B.M. 21901), the Babylonian campaign which overthrew the last king of Assyria (Asher-uballit II) in 607 B.c. occurred during the months June to August. Then 2,520 years later, the First World War developed during the months June to August A.D. 1914. It was on 28th June 1914 that the assassination of Archduke Francis Ferdinand, heir to the Austrian throne, stirred up the trouble leading to the Austro-Serbian declaration of war on 28th July, which was made the pretext for the big powers going to war, commencing with Germany’s declaration of war on Russia on August 1st. Then on the 23rd of August 1914 the war spread outside Europe by Japan declaring war on Germany. The times of the events in the years 607 and 604-603 B.C. as supplied by the Babylonian Chronicles B.M. 21901, 22047 and 21946 and their corresponding parallels 2,520 years later in A.D. 1914 and 1917-1918 are tabulated on page 934.

Adam Rutherford's earlier works are currently part of my extensive library. For over 10 years, no apostate has mentioned Brother Adam Rutherford's works and how he linked BM21901, BM22047, BM21946, which were desperately used by apostates and a few active witnesses, or so they say, to refute the Watchtower Chronology. These works have been available for a long time and easily accessible to true and honest researchers. It is remarkable how Satan deceives, showing that he hasn't lost his touch since Eve.

Aside from linking the "complete" liberation of the Jews from dominance through the Balfour Declaration of 1917-1918, it is worth noting that the British Empire actually witnessed the initial emergence of Jewish freedom in 1914 from Palistine.

Yet, this is only of interest to people researching the past to draw their own conclusions that would further aid its understanding of dates already thoroughly explained by the Watchtower for their members, without contributing to conflicting narratives and misdirection.
 

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I just thought of something, maybe Adam Rutherford is a long-lost blood brother of Joseph Franklin Rutherford that isn't listed on Judge Rutherford's family tree, lol!